Comments on: How many Hats? http://shannonmimbs.com/2009/03/23/how-many-hats/ Joining the Conversation on God, Church & Culture Tue, 31 May 2011 00:08:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ron Smith http://shannonmimbs.com/2009/03/23/how-many-hats/comment-page-1/#comment-829 Ron Smith Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:04:17 +0000 http://shannonmimbs.com/?p=552#comment-829 <blockquote cite="comment-816"> <strong><a href="#comment-816" rel="nofollow">Mike Ward</a></strong>: Shannon,There is no one definition or description of what constitutes busy work; however, I would generally describe it as work which is designed to facilitate the church’s belief that what we are doing is important and therefore worth doing. The problem is that the activity is generally geared toward what “we feel” is beneficial for us or the church, not driven by what “God knows” is beneficial for His Kingdom. As a result:1) People get caught in a web of activity which drains the life out of their soul because they are not being directed and empowered by the Holy Spirit. Instead the activity itself becomes an end unto itself. Rather than God’s will being the goal and God’s gifting (anointing) being the means, we become self-directed and self-empowered which ultimately leads to utter failure.2) People are “plugged” into holes which were never meant by God to be filled, or which they are not designed by God to fill. In other words, we must ask God if this (the activity in which we are involved) is the need as He sees it. Secondly, am I one of the ones God has gifted to meet that need.3) Quite frankly, another thing that sometimes happens in a church is we don’t know where we are, where we should be going, and therefore how can you (the church) possibly know how to get there. We then resort to a “just do something” mentality. It is much easier to just do something than to seek God as to what we should do. In the end we wind up “building a bridge to nowhere,” and God is not in the business of building useless bridges to nowhere.I hope I have answered your question.:idea: God Bless </blockquote> That is a good one. I don't have much time do anything by working at walmart but when I get off or have a day off I read by bible and go to church during Wednesday's night and Sunday night. I work morning shifts so I go nights services. The lord will guide u if u stay fellowship with him close. The lord will wake u up when u get out fellowship with him, Trust me I had that happen to me in the past.

Mike Ward:
Shannon,There is no one definition or description of what constitutes busy work; however, I would generally describe it as work which is designed to facilitate the church’s belief that what we are doing is important and therefore worth doing. The problem is that the activity is generally geared toward what “we feel” is beneficial for us or the church, not driven by what “God knows” is beneficial for His Kingdom. As a result:1) People get caught in a web of activity which drains the life out of their soul because they are not being directed and empowered by the Holy Spirit. Instead the activity itself becomes an end unto itself. Rather than God’s will being the goal and God’s gifting (anointing) being the means, we become self-directed and self-empowered which ultimately leads to utter failure.2) People are “plugged” into holes which were never meant by God to be filled, or which they are not designed by God to fill. In other words, we must ask God if this (the activity in which we are involved) is the need as He sees it. Secondly, am I one of the ones God has gifted to meet that need.3) Quite frankly, another thing that sometimes happens in a church is we don’t know where we are, where we should be going, and therefore how can you (the church) possibly know how to get there. We then resort to a “just do something” mentality. It is much easier to just do something than to seek God as to what we should do. In the end we wind up “building a bridge to nowhere,” and God is not in the business of building useless bridges to nowhere.I hope I have answered your question.:idea:
God Bless

That is a good one. I don’t have much time do anything by working at walmart but when I get off or have a day off I read by bible and go to church during Wednesday’s night and Sunday night. I work morning shifts so I go nights services. The lord will guide u if u stay fellowship with him close. The lord will wake u up when u get out fellowship with him, Trust me I had that happen to me in the past.

]]> By: Mike Ward http://shannonmimbs.com/2009/03/23/how-many-hats/comment-page-1/#comment-816 Mike Ward Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:21:44 +0000 http://shannonmimbs.com/?p=552#comment-816 Shannon, There is no one definition or description of what constitutes busy work; however, I would generally describe it as work which is designed to facilitate the church's belief that what we are doing is important and therefore worth doing. The problem is that the activity is generally geared toward what "we feel" is beneficial for us or the church, not driven by what "God knows" is beneficial for His Kingdom. As a result: 1) People get caught in a web of activity which drains the life out of their soul because they are not being directed and empowered by the Holy Spirit. Instead the activity itself becomes an end unto itself. Rather than God’s will being the goal and God’s gifting (anointing) being the means, we become self-directed and self-empowered which ultimately leads to utter failure. 2) People are “plugged” into holes which were never meant by God to be filled, or which they are not designed by God to fill. In other words, we must ask God if this (the activity in which we are involved) is the need as He sees it. Secondly, am I one of the ones God has gifted to meet that need. 3) Quite frankly, another thing that sometimes happens in a church is we don’t know where we are, where we should be going, and therefore how can you (the church) possibly know how to get there. We then resort to a “just do something” mentality. It is much easier to just do something than to seek God as to what we should do. In the end we wind up “building a bridge to nowhere,” and God is not in the business of building useless bridges to nowhere. I hope I have answered your question.:idea: God Bless Shannon,
There is no one definition or description of what constitutes busy work; however, I would generally describe it as work which is designed to facilitate the church’s belief that what we are doing is important and therefore worth doing. The problem is that the activity is generally geared toward what “we feel” is beneficial for us or the church, not driven by what “God knows” is beneficial for His Kingdom. As a result:
1) People get caught in a web of activity which drains the life out of their soul because they are not being directed and empowered by the Holy Spirit. Instead the activity itself becomes an end unto itself. Rather than God’s will being the goal and God’s gifting (anointing) being the means, we become self-directed and self-empowered which ultimately leads to utter failure.
2) People are “plugged” into holes which were never meant by God to be filled, or which they are not designed by God to fill. In other words, we must ask God if this (the activity in which we are involved) is the need as He sees it. Secondly, am I one of the ones God has gifted to meet that need.
3) Quite frankly, another thing that sometimes happens in a church is we don’t know where we are, where we should be going, and therefore how can you (the church) possibly know how to get there. We then resort to a “just do something” mentality. It is much easier to just do something than to seek God as to what we should do. In the end we wind up “building a bridge to nowhere,” and God is not in the business of building useless bridges to nowhere.
I hope I have answered your question.:idea:

God Bless

]]> By: Ron Smith http://shannonmimbs.com/2009/03/23/how-many-hats/comment-page-1/#comment-797 Ron Smith Sat, 28 Mar 2009 01:26:33 +0000 http://shannonmimbs.com/?p=552#comment-797 Yes Shannon you did mentioned Letters from a Skeptic book by Gregory Boyd. I have the book now and reading it when I do have a chance. The book so far is great and I will be still reading it thru. Thanks again. Hope to keep in touch. I be still go thru your blogs here too. Yes Shannon you did mentioned Letters from a Skeptic book by Gregory Boyd. I have the book now and reading it when I do have a chance. The book so far is great and I will be still reading it thru. Thanks again. Hope to keep in touch. I be still go thru your blogs here too.

]]> By: Jason D. http://shannonmimbs.com/2009/03/23/how-many-hats/comment-page-1/#comment-794 Jason D. Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:23:52 +0000 http://shannonmimbs.com/?p=552#comment-794 Superman can wear as many hats as he wants to... :o) Superman can wear as many hats as he wants to… :o)

]]> By: Jeremy Davis http://shannonmimbs.com/2009/03/23/how-many-hats/comment-page-1/#comment-786 Jeremy Davis Fri, 27 Mar 2009 04:31:00 +0000 http://shannonmimbs.com/?p=552#comment-786 It was great!!! I sent it in so that they can have something tangible. Like I've told you before, I appreciate it sooooooo much! It looks good. Definitely glad you helped me with that. A big jewel in your crown in heaven will be given to you for it, I just know it!!! It was great!!! I sent it in so that they can have something tangible. Like I’ve told you before, I appreciate it sooooooo much! It looks good. Definitely glad you helped me with that. A big jewel in your crown in heaven will be given to you for it, I just know it!!!

]]> By: Shannon Mimbs http://shannonmimbs.com/2009/03/23/how-many-hats/comment-page-1/#comment-785 Shannon Mimbs Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:15:35 +0000 http://shannonmimbs.com/?p=552#comment-785 <strong><em>Ron</em></strong> - Thanks for the info. I'm not sure if I mentioned it to you during the revival services but, if you can, try and check out the book - <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Letters-Skeptic-Wrestles-Questions-Christianity/dp/1434799808?&camp=212361&linkCode=wey&tag=thebri01-20&creative=380733" rel="nofollow">Letters from a Skeptic by Gregory Boyd</a>. It's available in both audio and print format. I think it is a tremendous help for Christians (and non-Christians alike) in addressing vital issues of the faith. You can order this title from your local bookstore (Cross Connection) or through our <a href="http://astore.amazon.com/thebri01-20" rel="nofollow">Hope Aflame store</a> (click on Books n' Stuff). Blessings, bro. :D <strong><em>Jeremy</em></strong> - :lol: ...royalties... as soon as they start coming in, I'll send some your way (lol). Thanks for the insights pertaining to the elders' roles as care-pastors. Personally, I think the eldership model of church leadership is a tremendous setup which allows for a shared pastoral task (instead of the superman expectation that Jason D. mentioned above). If I'm not mistaken, you guys and gals do something similar with the youth program (with the student impact team and student leaders). BTW, how did the final form of the resume turn out? Thanks, guys for the continued conversation. I think such dialogue is essential for us to live out the Kingdom life in the most faithful way possible. Ron – Thanks for the info. I’m not sure if I mentioned it to you during the revival services but, if you can, try and check out the book – Letters from a Skeptic by Gregory Boyd. It’s available in both audio and print format. I think it is a tremendous help for Christians (and non-Christians alike) in addressing vital issues of the faith. You can order this title from your local bookstore (Cross Connection) or through our Hope Aflame store (click on Books n’ Stuff). Blessings, bro. :D

Jeremy – :lol: …royalties… as soon as they start coming in, I’ll send some your way (lol). Thanks for the insights pertaining to the elders’ roles as care-pastors. Personally, I think the eldership model of church leadership is a tremendous setup which allows for a shared pastoral task (instead of the superman expectation that Jason D. mentioned above). If I’m not mistaken, you guys and gals do something similar with the youth program (with the student impact team and student leaders). BTW, how did the final form of the resume turn out?

Thanks, guys for the continued conversation. I think such dialogue is essential for us to live out the Kingdom life in the most faithful way possible.

]]> By: Jeremy Davis http://shannonmimbs.com/2009/03/23/how-many-hats/comment-page-1/#comment-781 Jeremy Davis Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:29:32 +0000 http://shannonmimbs.com/?p=552#comment-781 I believe the majority of our discipleship is through our sunday school classes on wednesday night teachings. The Elders at our church act as care-pastors. They are an extension of the pastor. Every member of the church is categorized under a specific elder and his wife (small groups). Each elder is responsible for keeping in contact and checking in with members when things come up. If someone's second aunt twice removed is in the hospital, and they want someone from the church to come, its not at all realistic for a church our size (between 400 and 500 each sunday) to have a pastor that can do all the visitations. Now, obviously if it is a leader in the church or a founding member or something to that extent, of course our pastor is going to go. Oh, and, I see you quoted me. By the way, that was a Jeremy original! Feel free to use it, but every time you do, a want a royalty!!! I believe the majority of our discipleship is through our sunday school classes on wednesday night teachings. The Elders at our church act as care-pastors. They are an extension of the pastor. Every member of the church is categorized under a specific elder and his wife (small groups). Each elder is responsible for keeping in contact and checking in with members when things come up. If someone’s second aunt twice removed is in the hospital, and they want someone from the church to come, its not at all realistic for a church our size (between 400 and 500 each sunday) to have a pastor that can do all the visitations. Now, obviously if it is a leader in the church or a founding member or something to that extent, of course our pastor is going to go.

Oh, and, I see you quoted me. By the way, that was a Jeremy original! Feel free to use it, but every time you do, a want a royalty!!!

]]> By: Ron Smith http://shannonmimbs.com/2009/03/23/how-many-hats/comment-page-1/#comment-777 Ron Smith Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:17:25 +0000 http://shannonmimbs.com/?p=552#comment-777 Thanks for the comment shannon. here is my myspace website to contact me. I give u my cell number when u message me on myspace. http://www.myspace.com/ronnie864 Ron Smith Thanks for the comment shannon. here is my myspace website to contact me. I give u my cell number when u message me on myspace.

http://www.myspace.com/ronnie864

Ron Smith

]]> By: Shannon Mimbs http://shannonmimbs.com/2009/03/23/how-many-hats/comment-page-1/#comment-774 Shannon Mimbs Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:00:41 +0000 http://shannonmimbs.com/?p=552#comment-774 Ron, Thanks so much for your encouragement to us all. You're exactly right that we need to trust the Lord Jesus with any problems that we may have. I celebrate with you how God blessed others through your prayer for the church family. I too believe that Jesus has a great redemptive purpose in working within our lives. Meaning that Jesus loves us so much and that our talking to him is the way by which we have many needs met in our lives. Blessings to you and your family. :D Ron,

Thanks so much for your encouragement to us all. You’re exactly right that we need to trust the Lord Jesus with any problems that we may have. I celebrate with you how God blessed others through your prayer for the church family.

I too believe that Jesus has a great redemptive purpose in working within our lives. Meaning that Jesus loves us so much and that our talking to him is the way by which we have many needs met in our lives.

Blessings to you and your family. :D

]]> By: Ron Smith http://shannonmimbs.com/2009/03/23/how-many-hats/comment-page-1/#comment-767 Ron Smith Thu, 26 Mar 2009 01:43:13 +0000 http://shannonmimbs.com/?p=552#comment-767 Let me tell u the lord has his role in every heart to do something in the will of his work in the word of god to spread it and help others keep the faith to worship and live his word. For a example, I was ask to pray at my church, the church was Liberty Baptist Church in Lyons, Georgia. I speak three words and didn't know what to say and I open my eyes and close it again and start praying. The lord spoke at me and tell me what to say and guide me the way in the path I need to speak to people hearts with my prayer. I had three people touch there hearts thru my prayer. The Lord has his on will to do things for a great reason. So I believe in prayer so great. So I pray to the Lord on problems and I don't let that problem stay in my brain, give the problem to the lord. Let it go to the lord. Let me tell u the lord has his role in every heart to do something in the will of his work in the word of god to spread it and help others keep the faith to worship and live his word. For a example, I was ask to pray at my church, the church was Liberty Baptist Church in Lyons, Georgia. I speak three words and didn’t know what to say and I open my eyes and close it again and start praying. The lord spoke at me and tell me what to say and guide me the way in the path I need to speak to people hearts with my prayer. I had three people touch there hearts thru my prayer. The Lord has his on will to do things for a great reason. So I believe in prayer so great. So I pray to the Lord on problems and I don’t let that problem stay in my brain, give the problem to the lord. Let it go to the lord.

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