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		<title>By: Does Jesus &#8216;toe the party line&#8217;?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Does Jesus &#8216;toe the party line&#8217;?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sonny and Mike for their comments on the previous post (Is God a Capitalist?).  My response was a bit lengthy, so I&#8217;ve made it into another post.  May the conversation [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sonny Cable</title>
		<link>http://shannonmimbs.com/2009/10/22/is-god-a-capitalist/comment-page-1/#comment-3417</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonny Cable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments Mike.  I wholeheartedly agree</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To preach against sin is certainly needful as long as you also share the remedy for sin--the atonement. However, to preach your definition of sin (i.e. voting for Obama) as opposed to God&#039;s definition (i.e. the Ten Commandments) is an entirely different matter. Don&#039;t get me wrong, I could never have voted for Obama or anyone else who would hold to a belief in the &quot;right of abortion,&quot; but to call one a sinner because of that vote would be claiming an authority not given by God.

Secondly, to claim that God is a capitalist is ignorance in the highest degree of the nature of God and His Kingdom. If you study the scripture you will clearly see that God is neither a communist, nor a socialist or even a capitalist. He is a God of justice, which is not inherently present in any man-made system--because man-made systems of government, finance or politics are inherently evil because unredeemed man is inherently evil. 

The things for which God condemned the nation of Israel (via the prophets) and subsequently sent them into exile were largely matters of spiritual infidelity and social injustice. Those issues of social injustice are present within the constructs of capitalism as well as socialism or communism. The very nature of capitalism brings it into conflict with the Kingdom of God simply because its goals are the attainment of wealth for the benefit of self. Whereas, the goal of the Kingdom of God is to seek &quot;those things which are above (spiritual) and not those things which are below (carnal) with the ultimate goal of benefiting all of creation. 

There is, unfortunately, such a social, cultural and political conceit in the United States that we assume we are as &quot;pure as the driven snow&quot; in the sight of God, when in fact our righteousness is as filthy rags before God. We are consumed with consuming, and the goal for all of it is not sharing with others but rather the desire to heap to ourselves more and more &quot;goodies&quot;. People &quot;climb the ladder of success&quot; usually at the expense of others and we declare it is o.k. because it is the nature of competition in a capitalistic society. Yet, Jesus tells us that in order to win we have to be willing to lose, in order to live we have to be willing to die (to ourselves), and in order to rule we must learn to be the servant of all. 

In my opinion, Jesus would have utterly failed at being a capitalist, and unfortunately we often succeed all to well-- and then pat ourselves on the back for doing so. I firmly believe that it would only take Christians truly seeing and understanding the nature of the Kingdom (heaven), and judgement (hell) in order for our priorities to be completely realigned. 

I thank God for the United States because of the relative freedoms we enjoy here as opposed to the rest of the world, but we would be utterly foolish if we assumed that our government, financial system or even our religious heritage would somehow exclude us from the coming judgment that God is bringing upon the earth. 

God Bless,
Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To preach against sin is certainly needful as long as you also share the remedy for sin&#8211;the atonement. However, to preach your definition of sin (i.e. voting for Obama) as opposed to God&#8217;s definition (i.e. the Ten Commandments) is an entirely different matter. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I could never have voted for Obama or anyone else who would hold to a belief in the &#8220;right of abortion,&#8221; but to call one a sinner because of that vote would be claiming an authority not given by God.</p>
<p>Secondly, to claim that God is a capitalist is ignorance in the highest degree of the nature of God and His Kingdom. If you study the scripture you will clearly see that God is neither a communist, nor a socialist or even a capitalist. He is a God of justice, which is not inherently present in any man-made system&#8211;because man-made systems of government, finance or politics are inherently evil because unredeemed man is inherently evil. </p>
<p>The things for which God condemned the nation of Israel (via the prophets) and subsequently sent them into exile were largely matters of spiritual infidelity and social injustice. Those issues of social injustice are present within the constructs of capitalism as well as socialism or communism. The very nature of capitalism brings it into conflict with the Kingdom of God simply because its goals are the attainment of wealth for the benefit of self. Whereas, the goal of the Kingdom of God is to seek &#8220;those things which are above (spiritual) and not those things which are below (carnal) with the ultimate goal of benefiting all of creation. </p>
<p>There is, unfortunately, such a social, cultural and political conceit in the United States that we assume we are as &#8220;pure as the driven snow&#8221; in the sight of God, when in fact our righteousness is as filthy rags before God. We are consumed with consuming, and the goal for all of it is not sharing with others but rather the desire to heap to ourselves more and more &#8220;goodies&#8221;. People &#8220;climb the ladder of success&#8221; usually at the expense of others and we declare it is o.k. because it is the nature of competition in a capitalistic society. Yet, Jesus tells us that in order to win we have to be willing to lose, in order to live we have to be willing to die (to ourselves), and in order to rule we must learn to be the servant of all. </p>
<p>In my opinion, Jesus would have utterly failed at being a capitalist, and unfortunately we often succeed all to well&#8211; and then pat ourselves on the back for doing so. I firmly believe that it would only take Christians truly seeing and understanding the nature of the Kingdom (heaven), and judgement (hell) in order for our priorities to be completely realigned. </p>
<p>I thank God for the United States because of the relative freedoms we enjoy here as opposed to the rest of the world, but we would be utterly foolish if we assumed that our government, financial system or even our religious heritage would somehow exclude us from the coming judgment that God is bringing upon the earth. </p>
<p>God Bless,<br />
Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Sonny</title>
		<link>http://shannonmimbs.com/2009/10/22/is-god-a-capitalist/comment-page-1/#comment-3365</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah.  I didn&#039;t know that was him at UAB but I have seen his website and remembered his picture after you named him.  He is the one that was banned from Theologica that tried to convince all the reformed folk about the truth of open theism.  I didn&#039;t know he preached like you are describing though.  But it doesn&#039;t surprise me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah.  I didn&#8217;t know that was him at UAB but I have seen his website and remembered his picture after you named him.  He is the one that was banned from Theologica that tried to convince all the reformed folk about the truth of open theism.  I didn&#8217;t know he preached like you are describing though.  But it doesn&#8217;t surprise me.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Mimbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon Mimbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I didn&#039;t know that.  It goes to show that there&#039;s definitely diversity of thought under the &quot;open theist&quot; umbrella.  :smile: 

I visited his website www.openairoutreach.com and watched his introductory video (which has an excerpt of his preaching).  You may have already checked it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I didn&#8217;t know that.  It goes to show that there&#8217;s definitely diversity of thought under the &#8220;open theist&#8221; umbrella.  <img src='http://shannonmimbs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':smile:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I visited his website <a href="http://www.openairoutreach.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.openairoutreach.com</a> and watched his introductory video (which has an excerpt of his preaching).  You may have already checked it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonny</title>
		<link>http://shannonmimbs.com/2009/10/22/is-god-a-capitalist/comment-page-1/#comment-3361</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quick comment.  Jesse is an open theist also. :smile:   Didn&#039;t know if you knew.
Love you all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick comment.  Jesse is an open theist also. <img src='http://shannonmimbs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':smile:' class='wp-smiley' />   Didn&#8217;t know if you knew.<br />
Love you all</p>
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